The bulk update request #20 is active.

mass update brown_mon -> brown_monster
mass update blue_mon -> blue_monster
mass update 0mon -> 0_monsters
mass update 1mon -> 1_monster
mass update 2mons -> 2_monsters
mass update 3mons -> 3-4_monsters
mass update 4mons -> 3-4_monsters
mass update 5mons -> 5-9_monsters
mass update 6+mons -> 5-9_monsters

Reason: To follow the guideline that we don't abbreviate

EDIT: The bulk update request #20 (forum #72) has been approved by @wawanya.

How often do booru users search by character quantity? I know e6 doesn't use these kinds of tags so I'm interested in what other places do.

Also I added spaces between the number and monster. That formatting looks better to me.

One more thing. If we keep the quantities, are the higher amounts useful enough to keep? After finding some data here's a quick distribution of how common each tag appears to be.

The booru the data comes from didn't have 0 tags. Percentages in the Total column show frequency out of all posts with these amount tags and should add up to 100 %. Beside it in the Relative column is how frequent the tag is compared to the most common tag amount, so the value for the Characters column in the 1 row.

Based on this I would prefer having a 4+ tag rather than 4, 5 and 6+. tags. What do you think?

Quantities are convention on danbooru/gelbooru where it's used for girl/boy/other, and I went with 6+ as I believe that's what they use, but I'd agree 4+ is probably reasonable. I think it's useful for distinguishing non-sexual multi-monster pictures where terms like "threesome" wouldn't apply.

I edited your BUR with my suggestion.
The only other thing I wanted to consider is that Danbooru and Gelbooru only have 6+<subject> tags and no 6<subject> tags. Other boorus do have 6<subject> tags though. So should we use 4+_monsters tags to mean >=4 monsters or instead both 3_monsters and 3+_monsters tags, the latter meaning >3 monsters? Sorry if this is a very minor detail but I thought I'd ask anyway.

I think a single 4+ tag makes sense. If we have two separate ones I think people would wonder which one to use, whereas if there's only one I think it's probably more clear that's the one to use in both scenarios.

In my experience trying to find mass transformation and hypnosis pics on e6, I think it's pretty important to have a >= 5 or >= 6 tag and possibly a >= 10 tag. Other than the use case of looking for pictures of crowds and parties, I think e6 having only 1, 2, and >=3 works really well. There isn't really a situation when I'm I'd look for 4 characters and not want to see 3 or 5.

That said, for this particular booru, the need to search for extremely large groups of characters is probably less due to the focus on relationships. Maybe eventually we'll get a few where a girl is stuck in a web with dozens of joltik or similar, maybe a few with a happy family with many many children. I still think it'll prove useful eventually though.

swoop4783 said:
In my experience trying to find mass transformation and hypnosis pics on e6, I think it's pretty important to have a >= 5 or >= 6 tag and possibly a >= 10 tag.

Do you mind sharing examples of these that you want to find? Are you saying you'd prefer to have 5+, 6+ or 10+ tags available too and so some posts would have 2 quantity tags: the higher quantity tag and the 4+ tag? Apart from clarifying this detail I'm happy with this BUR and will approve it.

wawanya said:
Do you mind sharing examples of these that you want to find? Are you saying you'd prefer to have 5+, 6+ or 10+ tags available too and so some posts would have 2 quantity tags: the higher quantity tag and the 4+ tag? Apart from clarifying this detail I'm happy with this BUR and will approve it.

I haven't found any relevant to this site, but a glance through the absolutely_everyone, large_group, or any tag fitting with the "mass_[blank]" format on e6 should get across the kinds of things I want to make sure are searchable. There's something special about crowd shots.

I was was stuck thinking in e6's tagging paradigm, but now that you point it out, there's no reason stack quantity tags like they do as long as people are aware of all the quantity tags we're using. The only benefit I can see from their way of doing things is that you can easily filter group as one tag, but I don't think that's very important compared to avoiding seemingly redundant tags on posts.

Feel free to link e6 examples here in the thread if you think they'd help even if they're unrelated to the booru's theme. Some of us have been uploading and tagging pics from Pixiv or Twitter that require more extensive booru tags than they have at their source so there's a chance your examples could be helpful for those potential new on topic posts.
What I'm thinking is that we might add to the new Tagging Checklist a note about how to groups. That means using the OP BUR's tags and any other quantity tags.
Do you think we more group tags than is in the OP and if so what should they be? If we do use some of e6's quantity tags will we only use absolutely_everyone, large_group and mass_<target>, or do they have more we should use, or should we use different tags to those?

wawanya said:
Feel free to link e6 examples here in the thread if you think they'd help even if they're unrelated to the booru's theme. Some of us have been uploading and tagging pics from Pixiv or Twitter that require more extensive booru tags than they have at their source so there's a chance your examples could be helpful for those potential new on topic posts.
What I'm thinking is that we might add to the new Tagging Checklist a note about how to groups. That means using the OP BUR's tags and any other quantity tags.
Do you think we more group tags than is in the OP and if so what should they be? If we do use some of e6's quantity tags will we only use absolutely_everyone, large_group and mass_<target>, or do they have more we should use, or should we use different tags to those?

An image with 3 characters has mostly the same vibe as 4, but an image with 5 has a very different vibe since your brain starts counting differently after that. Real thing, took me awhile to dig for this. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/your-brain-finds-it-easy-to-size-up-four-objects-but-not-five-heres-why/

After that the only significant differences that matter are between a group small enough that everyone can hear each other:
https://e621.net/posts/5153519
as opposed to a crowd:
https://e621.net/posts/1133308 https://e621.net/posts/4976026
or an obscenely large crossover like a where's waldo book:
https://e621.net/posts/4950726

So a full list of character counting tags I'd reccomend for now would be long, but I think it'd save us a lot of trouble in the future.

Then as stand alone tags we'd just need absolutely_everyone and crowd_silhouette.

I also think it's important to combine character count tags with verb tags because a group_transformation
https://e621.net/posts/3185225
Is very different from a group in the same image as a transformation.
https://e621.net/posts/1809654
While I used transformation as the example because that's one of the things I've been frustrated with e6 for, the same struggle exists for less exotic verbs like sex or fishing. Since there's a lot more useless combinations than useful, rather than trying to catch every useful combination right now, we could just add these as needed, and try to avoid adding them for any verb tag that has less than 3 pages.

swoop4783 said:
An image with 3 characters has mostly the same vibe as 4, but an image with 5 has a very different vibe since your brain starts counting differently after that. Real thing, took me awhile to dig for this. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/your-brain-finds-it-easy-to-size-up-four-objects-but-not-five-heres-why/

I think I might have heard something similar about how the brain interprets quantities like group size but thanks for the source for that point! It reminds me how in Valve's recent Half-Life 2 documentary that people get a better idea of weight by gauging it against more familiar objects.

These are really great suggestions overall! I agree with going forward with those grouping and also the specific combination tags for more common combinations such as group_transformation.

One last question though is about crowd_silhouette. This doesn't appear to be a tag on the boorus I checked but I understand what it's supposed to be. Is this just an example tag we might use in the future or are you planning on adding artwork that will use it soon?

wawanya said:
One last question though is about crowd_silhouette. This doesn't appear to be a tag on the boorus I checked but I understand what it's supposed to be. Is this just an example tag we might use in the future or are you planning on adding artwork that will use it soon?

Just an example. Most boorus seem to just use crowd.

The bulk update request #20 (forum #72) has been approved by @wawanya.

Thanks alot for the input on this! Finally approved it.